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Post by klay2000 on May 12, 2021 11:27:11 GMT
Scene-Main PB DMX 4 Dave.mfr (4.79 KB) This is the last thing I've tried. I get midi clock at my devices but my lighting controller does not receive the 1/4 note note on pulses that appear to be moving in the event monitor. Perhaps if I get myself an iPad and try it this might make a difference? I'm doing all my my Midifire/BandHelper work on an iPhone 6 with older iOS.
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 11:33:40 GMT
From the most recent diagram you sent I notice it’s only the note on messages visible in the event monitor. What I see is mainly ticks flying through there with note on messages quickly coming through in between ticks What should I be seeing in event monitor? Thanks The diagram I sent was with the Block in the increase tick count step. When I comment it, I see clocks as well as the quarter notes, as you describe.
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 12:02:41 GMT
View AttachmentIm using this scene copied and pasted from your message but I deleted the block on the tick counter. I'm still not getting the lighting controller and dittox4 functioning simultaneously the ditto 4 looper receives midi clock but the lighting controller doesn't respond to 1/4 notes my setup is pretty simple. I have a tc helicon voicelive 3 which is connected to the input of the um-one. This is sending cc messages to control band helper selecting songs and starting clock. What CC messages is the voicelive 3 sending? How do they reach band helper? Directly from UM-1, or from the MIDIFire virtual MIDI output port? This setup is not simple. It has at least 7 hardware components and at least two software components. That makes a lot of places for things to go wrong. The UM-1 I've seen has only one output port. How are you connecting those 4 items? Are they chained using their MIDI through ports? What is the other UM-1 doing? I suspect the output from band helper may be reaching UM-1 without going through MIDIFire. And the MIDIFire output may not be reaching UM-1 at all. Could you post the MIDI configuration of band helper? Does it listen on specific ports and MIDI channels? Where does it send its output to? Do you have an old version of this setup that worked? Can you load it to see what the differences are? Can you ask the person who created it what tricks are needed to make it work? I don't think an iPad or newer iOS version would make a difference to your problem.
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 12:07:00 GMT
BandHelper is set to send midi clock to midi fire port But I just closed midi fire and clock still arrives at the dittox4 Did you force-quit (swipe off screen) MIDIFire, or just put it in background?
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 12:14:59 GMT
Could you try connecting only the light controller to the UM-1 output? Does it receive the notes then?
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Post by klay2000 on May 13, 2021 15:51:31 GMT
What CC messages is the voicelive 3 sending?
The cc messages I'm sending are the ones that are in the stream byter block that get converted to the appropriate cc messages that BandHelper need for navigation and clock control. If you need the specific notes I can send a list of these
How do they reach band helper? Directly from UM-1, or from the MIDIFire virtual MIDI output port?
From midi fire virtual output port (In other words I set the band helper remote control port to Midifire )
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Post by klay2000 on May 13, 2021 15:54:52 GMT
The UM-1 I've seen has only one output port. How are you connecting those 4 items? Are they chained using their MIDI through ports? What is the other UM-1 doing?
I have a 2 midi solutions quad thru splitters that send the um-1 output to around 8 various pieces of gear that receive midi.
The other um-1 isn't doing anything it was brought into the canvas to try something. There's only one um-1 in my immediate output setup
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Post by klay2000 on May 13, 2021 16:03:48 GMT
I suspect the output from band helper may be reaching UM-1 without going through MIDIFire. And the MIDIFire output may not be reaching UM-1 at all. Could you post the MIDI configuration of band helper? Does it listen on specific ports and MIDI channels? Where does it send its output to?
Midifire must be going to the um-1 Bcs I can get the 1/4 notes pulsing from ticks over to the lighting controller. But the problem is any time this happens I can't manage to get clock through at the same time. BandHelper has an option to send beatvlock to all/midi fire/ um-1/network session. I will experiment a little more with this and let you know results. Maybe if BandHelper tempo module is brought onto the midi fire canvas it automatically detects BandHelper clock and can be routed to the desired Midifire blocks.
Do you have an old version of this setup that worked? Can you load it to see what the differences are? Can you ask the person who created it what tricks are needed to make it work?
Nic created this for me. I can send you the original script that worked. For some reason when the latest iOS was updated and BandHelper updated there's been several issues I've encountered with my setup and functionality
I don't think an iPad or newer iOS version would make a difference to your problem.
That's likely right. I did bring an iPad from a friends place which I will try tmrw when I'm back in the studio
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Post by klay2000 on May 13, 2021 16:07:05 GMT
Did you force-quit (swipe off screen) MIDIFire, or just put it in background?
I swiped and force quit Midifire and still saw midi clock going through to the um1
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Post by klay2000 on May 13, 2021 16:07:45 GMT
Could you try connecting only the light controller to the UM-1 output? Does it receive the notes then?
Yes
Yes the lighting controller will work receiving the note messages connecting direct to the um-1 or in the splitter
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 18:06:36 GMT
Could you try connecting only the light controller to the UM-1 output? Does it receive the notes then? Yes Yes the lighting controller will work receiving the note messages connecting direct to the um-1 or in the splitter Does it receive the notes when it's receiving the clocks as well? When it's the only device connected to the UM-1 output. If that works, then connecting the other devices may be loading down the MIDI signals. If that does not work, then the lighting controller may not be able to handle the clock messages, which it doesn't need.
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 18:12:45 GMT
What CC messages is the voicelive 3 sending? The cc messages I'm sending are the ones that are in the stream byter block that get converted to the appropriate cc messages that BandHelper need for navigation and clock control. If you need the specific notes I can send a list of these How do they reach band helper? Directly from UM-1, or from the MIDIFire virtual MIDI output port? From midi fire virtual output port (In other words I set the band helper remote control port to Midifire ) These are the little details that I'm trying to drag out of you. Now, the way you have it set up, all the output from the script (CCs, notes, and clocks) go to both the UM-1 and to the MIDIFire virtual port. It would be better to use a separate script just for the CCs going to BandHelper, and send them to a virtual MIDI port just for BandHelper.
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 18:15:53 GMT
Did you force-quit (swipe off screen) MIDIFire, or just put it in background? I swiped and force quit Midifire and still saw midi clock going through to the um1 So, you must have configured BandHelper to do that. You probably should not do that while you're trying to send notes and clocks from MIDIFire to UM-1. MIDIFire can combine signals and send them to an output port. But I think you should have only one app sending to a port.
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 18:24:54 GMT
Can you explain the Band Helper Tempo module? I suspect it's just a virtual MIDI output from BH, or maybe just a renamed MIDIFire virtual port. In fact, I'm sure it is, since it has the MIDI connector icon. BH should only be sending MIDI to that port. Since I guess you want all the BH MIDI output to go to UM-1, you can connect it direct to UM-1 (in MIDIFire), and continue blocking the clock output from the controller script. That way, the script will only be adding the notes and CCs to the UM-1 output.
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Post by uncledave on May 13, 2021 18:44:50 GMT
The UM-1 I've seen has only one output port. How are you connecting those 4 items? Are they chained using their MIDI through ports? What is the other UM-1 doing? I have a 2 midi solutions quad thru splitters that send the um-1 output to around 8 various pieces of gear that receive midi. The other um-1 isn't doing anything it was brought into the canvas to try something. There's only one um-1 in my immediate output setup Is see that those splitters are powered from the MIDI input connection. How are you connecting the UM-1 to the phone? Is the phone battery supplying the power? I'm worried that you may not have enough power to supply everything connected to the UM-1 output, especially when you're sending the clocks, because they're pretty relentless. That could be dragging down the voltage of the MIDI signals, possibly causing problems for the light controller.
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